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Andarsene: yet another important pronominal verb

We have talked about pronominal verbs before, and we have mentioned our featured pronominal verb andarsene in a lesson about telling someone to "get lost." But let's delve deeper.

 

Perhaps if we talk about pronominal verbs often enough, they will be less daunting, and they will start making more sense. Andarsene (to leave, to take one's leave) is perhaps even more common than farcela, which we have talked about very recently, but they are both high up on the list of pronominal verbs to know and love. So let's dive in!

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Andarsene: Let's unpack it

Andarsene has as its main verb, the irregular verb andare (to go). But instead of just going, we add on some particles that make it mean something more. We make it personal with se (oneself), and we imply we are leaving a place, person, or situation, or, we could say, "going away from a place, person or situation" with the particle ne. In this context, ne is a pronoun representing an indirect object with its preposition, all in one! 

Se uno sta bene in un posto, embè, deve avere una ragione forte per andarsene, se no...

If one's happy in a place, well, they have to have a really good reason for leaving it, otherwise...

Captions 33-34, Il Commissario Manara S1EP12 - Le verità nascoste - Part 8

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Let's also mention that in a way, andarsene (to leave, to go away from a place) is the opposite of going somewhere — to a place. When we go somewhere, we can use the particle ci (to, in, or at that place) as an indirect pronoun including the preposition. In English, "there" stands for "to/at/in that place."

Hanno suonato alla porta. Ci vado io (the doorbell rang. -I'll go [there]).

It's easy to get mixed up between ne and ci

 

Conjugating andarsene

When we conjugate andarsene, we split the verb in different ways, depending on the conjugation. 

 

When you simply want to say, "I'm leaving [this place]" you can say:

Me ne vado (I'm leaving).

It's the equivalent of vado via (I'm leaving, I'm going away).

 

When no modal verb is involved, we generally have the person, the place (from this place) and then the verb in third place, conjugated. The same goes for other persons:

 

Alle otto se ne vanno a casa e non escono più, come le galline.

At eight o'clock they leave and go home and don't go out again, like hens.

Caption 40, Il Commissario Manara S1EP3 - Rapsodia in Blu - Part 12

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Andarsene with modal verbs

However, if we use a modal verb such as potere (to be able to) or volere (to want to), dovere (to have to), then we conjugate the modal verb and the pronominal verb remains in the infinitive, although the particles may be separate from it.

Ecco perché io non me ne voglio andare.

That's why I don't want to leave here.

Caption 5, Basilicata Turistica Non me ne voglio andare - Part 1

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It's also possible (when there is a modal verb) to mix the parts of the pronominal verb up differently and say:

Ecco perché non voglio andarmene (that's why I don't want to leave here).

 

In the following example, we have 2 different conjugations. The first one is one word, a command, with the verb root first: the imperative of andare, va', then the person, te, and then our "place" particle, ne. In the second sentence, the modal verb dovere (to have to) is used. 

Ricotta! -Oh, vattene! Te ne devi andare!

Ricotta! -Oh, get out of here. You have to leave!

Caption 47, Non è mai troppo tardi EP 2 - Part 7

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Compound tenses

Let's remember that the verb andare takes essere (to be) as an auxiliary verb for compound tenses such as the passato prossimo, which conjugates like the present perfect in English. We conjugate the auxiliary verb and the root verb is in its past participle form.

Finalmente se ne sono andati.

Finally, they've gone.

Caption 15, Acqua in bocca Allarme gita - Ep 9

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Practice:

Try thinking of people you know, or can imagine, and combinations of people. 1) They might be leaving a theater or a party... one by one, in couples, all of them 2) They never seem to leave but you would like them to. 3) They have all left. We'll need the passato prossimo for that. Have they left together or in dribs and drabs? Let us know how you do.

Getting somewhere with via (way)

Via is such a short word, and yet, it has a lot of bite. The basic translation of the noun via is "way."  Concretely, it can refer to a street, road, or path. A road is a way to get somewhere if we want to think of it that way.  Even in English, "way" can be used to describe a road, if we think of "parkway," "subway," "pathway," or "Broadway."

Sì, perché siamo ovviamente a Roma, su via Ostiense, una via molto antica di Roma.

Yes, because obviously we're in Rome, on the via Ostiense, a very old Roman road.

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Halfway

A handy expression to know that uses via to mean "way," is una via di mezzo (halfway between, midway between, a middle ground, a compromise):

Diciamo che, eh... non è un azzurro, ma non è neanche un blu scuro, però una via di mezzo.

Let's say, uh... it's not a light blue, but neither is it a dark blue, but it's halfway between.

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Note: Via can mean "way," but "way" doesn't always translate as via. When "way" means "manner," we have other Italian words that more commonly do the job: il modo (the way)  la maniera (the manner), il mezzo (the means). We've provided links to WordReference so you can see all the translations of these words, as in some cases, there are numerous ones. 

 

If you go to the doctor or pharmacy you might ask about some medicine and how to take it. Per via orale is "by mouth," literally, "by way of mouth." 

Away

Via is also an adverb. The most common expression that comes to mind might be Vai via (go away)!

La volpe, allora, triste e sottomessa, andò via.

The fox, then, sad and subdued, went away.

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We can also use via when we are saying someone is away.

È via per lavoro (she's away on business).

 

Expressions

When we want to say "etc." or "and so on," or "and so forth," one way is to use via.

La nota successiva, che si troverà attraverso il quinto rigo, si chiamerà La. E così via.

The next note, which will be found across the fifth line, will be called A, and so on.

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You might also hear variations on this: e via discorrendo and e via dicendo that mean the same thing.

 

We can use via via to mean little by little, gradually:

Alla torre fu affiancato via via un castello in posizione ardita sulle rocce che dominano la valle del Rio Secco.

A castle in a daring position was gradually added to the tower on the rocks that dominate the Rio Secco Valley.

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We use via as the starting signal.

Meno tre, due, uno, via. Guardami! Perfetto!

Countdown, three, two, one, go. Look at me! Perfect!

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And when we are talking about the start of something, we use the noun il via to mean "the start," "the lead-off."

Ti do il via (I'll give you the start-off).

 

We can also just say via to mean "let's go," "let's get going," or "you get going."

Operativi, occhio vivo, via!

On the job, eyes wide open, get going!

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We use via vai to indicate comings and goings, when, for example, a place gets crowded with activity.

Ragazzi, da un po' di tempo a questa parte c'è un via vai, qui.

Guys, for a while now, there's been [plenty of] coming and going here.

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Via is used as un intercalare (a filler word), much as we say, "you know," "yeah," "come on," "well," or "OK" in the middle of a sentence. You'll hear this primarily in Tuscany and Lazio.

Quindi c'abbiamo, via, un parco cavalli tra i più eterogenei che ci sono a Roma.

So we have, you know, one of the most heterogeneous horse parks that there are in Rome.

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C'è qualche problema? -Lascia stare, è il mio ragazzo! -Bastava dirlo! -Via, si beve qualcosa, eh.

Is there some problem? -Leave him alone, he's my boyfriend! -You could have said so! -Come on, let's have something to drink, huh?

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 It's also a way of "that's it." 

Una botta e via.

One blow and that's it.

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Via is often used to conclude a sentence or situation. It's not really translatable. It's another intercalare (filler word) and used primarily in Tuscany and Lazio.

Insomma, ci chiamiamo, via. -Sì.

In other words, we'll call each other, yeah. -Yes.

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And we also conclude this lesson about via. Via!

 

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What Does Salutare Actually Mean?

In a previous lesson, we talked about how to say hello and goodbye in Italian:  There are formal and informal ways of doing so. And the very first lesson Daniela teaches in her popular series of classroom lessons is about how to greet people: salutare.

 

Oggi impariamo le forme di saluto.

Today we're going to learn ways to greet people.

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Before looking at the everyday meanings of salutare, we should acknowledge that it does also mean "to salute," as one would salute in the military, or salute the flag. But that is a very small part of the picture!

 

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In addition to knowing how to greet people — a very important thing in Italian — we also use the verb salutare itself, quite often, to talk about greetings and greeting someone, as well as within the greeting or leave-taking itself, but what exactly does it mean?  In fact, it's a little tricky. Just as ciao can mean "hi" or "bye," salutare can mean "to say hello" or "to say goodbye." Let's look at the verb salutare in context to get a better idea of how it's used.

Goodbye

Saying goodbye can be tough.

  

È arrivato il momento di salutarci, mi pare, no?

The time has come to say goodbye (to each other), I think, right?

-Eh. -Sì.

-Yeah. -Yes.

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The previous example is just one instance of the verb within the segment of the Commissario Manara episode, an episode in which Luca Manara is about to leave his present job and go back to Milan.

 

Here's another little scene from the same episode and segment about saying goodbye. One thing to notice is that while in the previous example, salutarci means "to say goodbye to each other" (reciprocal reflexive), in the example below, salutarci means "to say goodbye to us." That pesky ci again!

 

Brigadiere, ma che sei venuto a salutarmi?

Brigadiere, what, did you come to say goodbye to me?

Caterina. -Povero cagnozzo, gli mancherai, eh.

Caterina. -Poor doggy, he'll miss you, yeah.

Io non posso credere che te ne saresti andato senza salutarci.

I can't believe that you would leave without even saying goodbye to us.

-No, veramente...

-No, actually...

sono passato davanti a casa Sua, -Eh. -ma Lei non c'era.

I came by your house, -Huh. -and you weren't there.

Comunque, io sono veramente contento che Lei sia venuta a salutarmi,

Anyway, I'm very happy that you came to say goodbye to me,

perché voglio dirLe grazie.

because I want to say thank you to you.

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When we want to take our leave, or end a phone call, we can say:

Ti devo salutare (I have to say goodbye, I have to hang up, I have to go).

Ti saluto, vado a casa. (I'll be going. I'm going home).

 

Hello

So salutare often means "to say goodbye." But it also means "to say hello," "to greet."  In the following example, a grandpa is telling his grandchildren to say hello to their grandmother.

 

Quanto mi siete mancati. -Salutate la nonna.

How I've missed you! -Say hello to Grandma.

Caption 9, Un medico in famiglia Stagione 3 - S3EP1: Ciao famiglia

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In the following example, Olivetti is greeting an old, estranged friend (he says ciao) who pretends not to see him.

 

Mauro!

Mauro.

Ciao, Mauro.

Hello, Mauro.

Cos'è? Non mi saluti?

What's the matter? You're not saying hello to me?

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But in the next example, the people conversing are being formal with each other. The speaker calls the lady signora. And thus, he uses the formal, second-person imperative.

 

Arrivederci, signora.

Goodbye, ma'am.

E mi saluti suo marito, eh.

And greet your husband, huh?

Ci tengo tanto, ah. Me lo saluti tanto, eh?

It means a lot to me. Greet him warmly, huh?

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As we said, Manara is speaking formally. He says me lo saluti (greet him for me) using the imperative. He could also be saying "Give my regards to your husband." But if he were talking to a friend, he could put this all in one single word including two pronouns stuck to the verb. Saluta (greet) + me (for me) lo (him) / la (her).

 

Salutamelo. 

 

Salutamela.

 

The noun form il saluto

 

In some contexts, (and as we saw in the very first video example), we use the noun form il saluto or un saluto (a greeting, a salutation) instead of the verb salutare.

 

Parliamo ora dei saluti informali.

Let's now talk about informal greetings.

Caption 24, Marika spiega - Saluti verbali e a gesti

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In the following example, we see a typical way of saying, "I won't ever talk to you again." But Italians give it a different twist. They say they are going to "take away" "saying hello," as in, "I'm not even going to greet you!" The verb is togliere (to remove).

 

La chiamo e gli [sic: le] dico che non ci vado.

I'll call her and tell her I'm not going.

Ch'aggia fa' [napoletano: che devo fare]?

What can I do?

-Fallo e ti tolgo il saluto.

-You do that and I won't talk to you anymore.

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Un saluto or saluti is what you might write on a postcard while you're on vacation somewhere. It's often in the plural:

 

Ciao vecchio. Saluti da Rio, Max.

Hi, old timer. Greetings from Rio, Max.

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Salutare can also be interpreted to mean "to give one's regards to" so we often see saluti at the end of a short business email.

 

It can appear by itself or be embellished as follows:

Distinti saluti ([best] regards)

Cordiali saluti (kind regards)

 

That's it for this lesson, and we'll see you soon. A presto.