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"Extra" pronouns? What gives?

Have you ever noticed that Italians use a little pronoun even after they have already mentioned the noun in a sentence? Have you ever thought it was either bad grammar or just a regional habit? Or maybe you never even noticed an "extra" object was there (easy to do if you aren't following along with the transcript).

 

I certainly thought these seemingly extra pronouns were a kind of clutter, little words people would just add through habit. 🔎 But then I took a closer look. I discovered that they are not clutter at all. They are connectors.

 

In conversation, Italians often put the object first and refer back to it with a pronoun. These little pronouns aren't thrown into a sentence at random. They appear because the speaker has changed the usual order of the sentence.

 

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Let's look at an example from the popular series La compagnia del cigno, where Maestro Marioni is being hard on a new violinist in his conservatory orchestra. Note the position of the object (le note) in this straightforward word order. The object comes after the verb — standard. 

Dovresti sapere le note a memoria, no (you should know the notes by heart, right)?

 

But Maestro Marioni puts the object first, a very common practice:

Le note le dovresti sapere a memoria, no (you should know the notes by heart, right)?

 

When the object (in this case le note — the notes) gets moved away from its usual position after the verb, an object pronoun referring to the object is used to keep the connection clear. It's kind of like an echo. It's a reminder of the object that's already part of the sentence.

 

(In the video, you may hear Maestro Marioni hesitate: "Le, le note..." This first le is just a false start, something we often do in spontaneous speech.)

Sei rigido. E poi non guardare lo spartito, no? Le, le note le dovresti sapere a memoria, no?

You're stiff. And then, don't look at the score, OK? The, the notes, you should know them by heart, no?

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➡️ Here's what we're talking about:

 

  • What is it? An object pronoun.

  • What is happening? The object and the verb are separated because the speaker has changed the usual word order.

  • Why is the pronoun there? It helps maintain the connection and keeps the listener oriented.

  • How can we think of it? Like an echo.

 

In the following example, a fisherman is talking about his world, the sea. He doesn't use the usual word order, subject - verb - object. He starts with the object, il mare (the sea). Since the object is no longer in its usual place, the speaker quite naturally echoes that object with a pronoun that represents it. We could say it's a way of orienting the listener. 

Eh, il mare tu lo scegli come unica fidanzata, poi te la sposi e ci resti tutta la vita.

Uh, you choose the sea like a sole girlfriend, then you marry her and you stay your whole life.

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He could have said,

Tu scegli il mare come unica fidanzata... (you choose the sea like a sole girlfriend...)

But he chose to begin with the word that came to mind first: il mare (the sea).

 

This is normal practice in Italian. And now that you know it's normal, you will start hearing and seeing it more and more often. 

 

This next example is a slightly more complex sentence. Author Valeria Parrella could have said, using the usual word order:

... non puoi fare una fotografia (...you can't take a photograph). 

She switched the word order around quite a bit. In the second half of the sentence, she did put the subject first (tu), but she followed it with the object (una fotografia), not the verb. So the pronoun la is a kind of grammatical signpost that helps you navigate a sentence whose word order has taken a different route.

 

Se non ci metti la luce tu una fotografia non la puoi proprio fare.

If you don't add light to it, you really can't take a photograph.

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In this next example, we see 2 instances of the "echo" pronoun. Note that in the second instance, the echo pronoun comes before the actual object!

 

E il peperoncino come lo usi te [tu]? -Quasi dappertutto lo uso il peperoncino.

And how do you use hot peppers? -I use hot peppers just about everywhere.

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What have we learned in this lesson? In a nutshell:

 

Italian word order can be much more flexible than what we are used to in English, but it is not a free-for-all. You can put words in a different order, but at the same time, you use little grammatical signals to guide the listener through the sentence. In this case, that signal is an object pronoun.

 

Thanks for reading this lesson. We hope you have learned something, or maybe just understood something in a new way. Write to us at [email protected]. We love to hear from you... and a human will reply!

 

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Pronouns

La fiducia (trust) and fidarsi (to trust)

Trusting someone or not is important to be able to express in the language you are using. But it can be tricky in Italian because "to trust" happens to be a reflexive verb. 

 

A reflexive verb in Italian is a particular kind of verb where the subject and object are the same and which requires a reflexive pronoun. In the infinitive, we use the reflexive pronoun si (attached to the end of the verb). For more on reflexive verbs, see this lesson

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Before discussing how fidarsi works, let's look at a passage from a recent video on Yabla — Provaci ancora prof!. Renzo realizes he has been unfairly questioning his wife Camilla's relationship with reality. 

Sì, va be', forse dovrei imparare a fidarmi un po' di più.

Yes, OK, maybe I should learn to trust you a bit more.

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One of our subscribers wondered if fidarmi was a mistake, if it should have been fidarti, since, after all, Renzo is talking about trusting the person he is talking to. That's what makes verbs like fidarsi tricky for English speakers. Renzo left out the part where it would have been clearer. He could have said:

Sì, va be', forse dovrei imparare a fidarmi di te un po' di più.

He didn't say it, because it was clear who he was referring to and it was part of a longer conversation. It also makes for an awkward sentence.

 

Here is the sentence in context where Camilla speaks first.

Però almeno capisci che non sono pazza.

-Sì, va be', forse dovrei imparare a fidarmi un po' di più. -Eh, forse. -La fiducia è importante.

But at least you understand that I am not crazy.

-Yes, OK, maybe I should learn to trust you a bit more. -Yeah, maybe. -Trust is important.

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Here’s how fidarsi works:

In a simple sentence, the reflexive pronoun is placed before the verb. The tricky thing to remember is that the reflexive pronoun corresponds to the subject, in other words, the person who is doing the trusting (or not). To trust is a transitive verb in English. 

 

Here’s the conjugation in the present tense:

Io mi fido (I trust)
Tu ti fidi (you trust)
Lui/Lei si fida (he/she trusts)
Noi ci fidiamo (we trust)
Voi vi fidate (you all trust)
Loro si fidano (they trust)

Notice the reflexive pronouns (mi, ti, si, ci, vi, si) placed before the verb. In fact, we don't normally need to include the subject at all because it's clear from the verb conjugation (note the changing endings of the verb): 

Mi fido (I trust)
Ti fidi (you trust)
Si fida (he/she trusts)
Ci fidiamo (we trust)
Vi fidate (you all trust)
Si fidano (they trust)

To make these sentences negative, where you don't trust someone or something, we place non (not) before the reflexive pronoun. 

Non mi fido (I don't trust)
Non ti fidi (you don't trust)
Non si fida (he/she doesn't trust)
Non ci fidiamo (we don't trust)
Non vi fidate (you all don't trust)
Non si fidano (they don't trust)

 

In Italian, it's common to use this short phrase as is, with no other object. The object is implied. In English, however, we use "to trust" as a transitive verb with an object. 

Tanto ho capito, io il tipo l'ho inquadrato. Non mi fido.

Anyway I understand, I have that type figured out. I don't trust him.

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But when specifying whom or what you trust (thus including an indirect pronoun), we follow fidarsi with the preposition di (in, of). 

Non devi avere paura, ci penso io a te, non ti devi preoccupare. -Io mi fido di Lei.

You shouldn't be afraid, I'll take care of you, you shouldn't worry. -I trust you.

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Io non mi fido di te.

I don't trust you.

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 It might be helpful to remember that in English we sometimes do use a preposition, saying, "I trust in you" or "I trust in God." 

 

Here's an example of a question using a compound past tense:

Ti rendi conto di chi mi sono fidata?

Do you realize whom I trusted?

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We have the noun la fiducia, too.

 

Ho pienamente riconquistato la tua fiducia?

Have I fully reconquered your trust?

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La fiducia does mean "the trust," but it also means "the faith" (which can also translate as la fede in Italian, especially in the context of religion). Note also that after fiducia, the preposition is in (in). It works much like the English "to have faith in someone."

Ho sempre avuto fiducia in te,

I have always had faith in you,

Caption 32, Moscati, l'amore che guarisce EP 2 - Part 19

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We use la fiducia with the verb avere (to have), just like in English, but we can also use the verb dare (to give), in which case it makes more sense to translate this with "to trust."  

Infatti, mi sto occupando da tempo, in prima persona, di questo problema, però Lei deve darmi un po' di fiducia.

In fact, I have been working for a while now, personally, on this problem, but you have to trust me a little.

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So when I want to simply say, "Trust me" I just say: Fidati. No need to say fidati di me unless I need or want to emphasize or be clear about who should be trusted. 

Non ci facciamo una figuraccia con questo Marsili, no? -Fidati. -Mi fido di più se mi dici chi te l'ha detto. -Una persona molto affidabile.

We're not going to look like idiots with this Marsili, right? -Trust me. -I trust you more if you tell me who told you. -A very reliable person.

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We hope we have given you a better understanding of the reflexive verb fidarsi and the noun la fiducia, both of which have to do with trust With a little practice, you'll be able to use both of these words with confidence in your Italian conversations.